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A 6-Year-Old Boy Becomes a Girl: Do Schools Need New Rules for Transgender Students?

Parents of a transgender girl complained when their daughter, born a boy, was told to use the boys' bathroom

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Coy Mathis, 6, a transgender girl who is banned from using the girls' bathroom at school

A year ago, when she was in kindergarten in Fountain, Colo., Coy Mathis became a girl. Until that point, Coy — born a boy — had resisted the boyish t-shirts and jeans that her parents laid out for her, hated the boy’s backpack she had to carry to school. She wanted to wear tutus and princess dresses, to grow her hair long, to slip into pink Mary Janes.

“I am a girl,” she told her parents starting at age 3. After visits to a pediatrician and a psychologist who advised her parents, as mom Kathryn Mathis puts it, “to let her live as who she was,” they finally did. Three months after kindergarten began, Coy transitioned from being a boy to living as a girl.

Kindergarteners are pretty forgiving folks, so they accepted that Coy now wore dresses with leggings and used the girls’ bathroom. But in December, Coy’s elementary-school principal issued an ultimatum from the school district: Coy could no longer frequent the girls’ bathroom; she would have to head to private bathrooms reserved for teachers or sick children — or enter the boys’ bathroom.

Coy’s parents presented the school with a copy of Colorado’s anti-discrimination law, which protects transgender people’s right to use a bathroom that matches their gender identity. The school didn’t budge, so the Mathis family pulled Coy out to homeschool her and teamed up with the Transgender Legal Defense & Education Fund to file a complaint with the state Division of Civil Rights. The school district has until mid-March to respond.

The unusual case points up the need for schools to discuss whether transgender students may need accommodation — or entirely new policies. Might a boy who identifies as a girl and plays on the school tennis team have an advantage over her teammates? Will transgender girls go out for varsity football?

(MORE: Gender-Free Baby: Is it O.K. for Parents to Keep Their Child’s Sex a Secret?)

Sixteen states have laws that prohibit discrimination on the basis of gender identity. But no one tracks how many schools have official policies on how to treat transgender students, says Michael Silverman, executive director of the Fund and one of the Mathis family’s attorneys. “In most situations when school districts are presented with appropriate transgender information, they tend to want to do the right thing,” he says. “We have always been able to resolve the situation.”

Until now. This week, Coy’s school district, Fountain-Fort Carson School District 8, issued a statement that it “firmly believes it has acted reasonably and fairly with respect to this issue” and is preparing a response to the family’s formal complaint.  Silverman is hopeful that Coy’s situation will raise awareness of the need for schools to formulate more comprehensive gender-discrimination policies. “It’s an emerging civil rights issue that we’ll need to address,” he says. 

Meanwhile, Coy, 6, has become a media darling, flitting from Katie to CNN. It was not her parents’ intention. “We don’t want to put ourselves out there for the kinds of harassment and speculation that come along with media attention but at the same time the school stigmatized her and we really felt we needed to hold them accountable for what they were doing,” says Mathis, 27, a professional photographer and mother of five.

She and her husband have also been confronted with questions about how someone as young as Coy can be sure about her gender identification. But it’s not unheard of for children who are 6 — or younger — to express uneasiness with their gender. Still, it can be difficult to figure out which children are simply testing boundaries or having fun with pretend play — boys clickclacking around in their mothers’ high heels, for example — and which truly feel they’ve been born into the wrong body. “It’s normal for children to want to break out of gender boxes when they’re little,” says Diane Ehrensaft, director of mental health at the Child and Adolescent Gender Center in San Francisco and author of Gender Born, Gender Made. “But transgender children have a need to say, I’m not the person you think I am.”

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The best thing parents can do is respect their kids’ gender preferences. “I’m not saying it’s easy to be a transgender child in our culture, but it’s a lot easier than trying to be a boy when you know you’re not,” says Ehrensaft. “Once parents get on board, the children calm down, they are happier, they relax into themselves.”

That’s exactly what happened with Coy. When her parents were forcing her to cut her hair short and shun skirts, she acted depressed and rebellious. “As soon as she switched to her true identity, she started making friends and her grades went up,” says her mother.

At 6, of course, changing gender is as easy as changing clothes. Around age 11, Coy can take medication that blocks puberty. Hormones may be offered at around age 16, along with a visit to a gender specialist to determine if Coy fully understands the implications of undergoing gender-reassignment surgery.

Mathis and her husband have been reading books and canvassing transgender children and adults, asking them how their experience could have been improved in an effort to smooth Coy’s transition. Even after a year, they’re still adjusting to having four girls and a boy instead of three girls and two boys. Says Mathis: “I don’t think anybody ever expects to have a transgender child.”

(MOREBeing Transgender Is Still Widely Misunderstood)

91 comments
LisaCecelin
LisaCecelin

I feel like the child is too young to determine its gender. I used to have boys that i played barbies with and I used to play GI Joes with them. I think the child should be considered male until he is a certain age, where he understands what exactly it means and if he really is transgender. As a child I don't think he really understands what the differences really are between a boy and a girl and he does have several sisters, it would be very easy for him to think he wants to be like them.

john1513
john1513

No quotes from the father?

loverboy012609
loverboy012609

Labels destroys who we are and it doesn't who or what we are. We just humans who need to use the restroom like others. So when we place labels on children that is how they see themselves and society doesn't. Well! the only ones who understand a transgender is a transgender no one else even if you think you do understand you don't. But Thanks, for standing up for and supporting us for being just that human like you.

AlexC.
AlexC.

Bravo for her parents for not only accepting their child for who she wants to be, but also for going above and beyond in sticking up for her.  THAT is what good parenting looks like. Beautiful.

pakorasandpasta
pakorasandpasta

I thought the goal was to NOT have sexual stereotyping.  Why does this boy have to be a "girl" because he wears tutus and has long hair?  Why can't he be a boy in a skirt?  Oh, right, because we are still bound by stereotypes - even the parents and the Transgender Legal Defense and Education fund folks, and those stereotypes have been passed on to this sweet child.  I read nothing in this article about "masculinised genitalia" and assume this child has a penis.  According to this article, the ONLY reason this child self-identifies as a girl is that he prefers what our society and his parents have taught him are "girl" clothes.  Do away with the stereotype and you lose the conflict.  I am more concerned about the parents' taking him on a publicity tour.  If you're going to teach your child to be who he is - a boy who likes skirts and long hair, then you're going to have to teach him that that's okay and normal and to hell what other people think.  Presenting him to the public to talk about how different he is has the opposite effect.  Poor kid.  Put on your dance clothes and go to the park with your friends!  You are not a freak show to be paraded in front of the world.

ZoeEllenBrain
ZoeEllenBrain

I wish people knew some facts that haven't been publicised.


1 in 500 women - meaning 1 in 500 schoolgirls - have CAH - Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia.
CAH causes masculinisation of genitalia. Sometimes almost indetectable, sometimes into a full phallus.

There have been and will always be thousands of schoolgirls with masculinised genitalia in the US school system at any one time. There always have been.

In more old-fashioned days, a fuss wasn't made over this. But now the issue with Trans kids - a different issue but also involving girls with masculinised genitalia - has been politicised by what can only be described as a hysterical mob, it's now time to bring this fact to your attention,.

theogirl
theogirl

Ok what you are saying is so blatantly false and misguided. I understand that you want to stand up for transgendered people but your tactic of claiming that XY as male is just plain wrong is ludicrous. XY is indeed the male sex chromosome. The other chromosomal makeups that you've listed are abnormalities and all come with some type of sexual dysfunction and/ or sterility (some are more severe than others), but still the normal/proper make up for a male sex chromosome is xy and the normal/proper make up for a female sex chromosomes is xx. Any other derivative that you find other than that is an abnormality. No matter how frequent you see it,  these are still classified as chromosomal abnormalities. Irregardless, everybody deserved respect no matter what their genetic make up is, but the stance that you are using to combat bigots and misinformed people is logically heavily flawed. 

ZoeEllenBrain
ZoeEllenBrain

Maybe this might aid understanding. It over-simplifies a bit, but captures the essence.


Sexual Hormones and the Brain: An Essential Alliance for Sexual Identity and Sexual Orientation Garcia-Falgueras A, Swaab DF Endocr Dev. 2010;17:22-35

The fetal brain develops during the intrauterine period in the male direction through a direct action of testosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hormone surge. In this way, our gender identity (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and sexual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. However, since sexual differentiation of the genitals takes place in the first two months of pregnancy and sexual differentiation of the brain starts in the second half of pregnancy, these two processes can be influenced independently, which may result in extreme cases in trans-sexuality. This also means that in the event of ambiguous sex at birth, the degree of masculinization of the genitals may not reflect the degree of masculinization of the brain. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender identity or sexual orientation.


yourmathsolutions
yourmathsolutions

If a six year old boy told his parents he was a dog, is it right to pretend that he is and ask the school to feed him dog food and treat him as if he was a dog? No, because he is a human being. Gender is determined at birth. Your DNA is either male or female. Every cell in your body is coded either male or female. If the mind is confused on the issue you fix the mind not the body. It is your mind that is broken.  What this boy's parents are doing to him is abusive!  Honestly, where on Earth has good sense gone???  Can nobody think clearly anymore?  

Kenita
Kenita

I went to elementary school in a Buffalo, NY suburb with identical twin brothers who later transitioned.  We were only about 8-9 years old and they were my friends.We lost contact after they left our school, and I heard that they had a horrible time in middle school and high school, victims of contact bullying. At such a young age, Roman and Gabriel Pickett were incredibly feminine in every way, the way they walked, talked, their mannerisms, in fact Jenny Jones featured them on her show in the early 90's.  It broke my heart when I found out that Roman / Chanelle was murdered when she was just 23 years old. Her killer only got 2 years in prison, his lawyer used the "Trans-panic" defense, even though her killer frequented the night club that was a hot spot for the alternative crowd.  He even wrote Chanelle love letters and witnesses said that they were dating for weeks. For her killer to use the excuse that he didn't know that Chanelle was a man, is pure fiction!  Please read the article.http://www.gendertalk.com/articles/archive/globcp.shtml

Sadly, I recently heard that the surviving sister, Gabriel / Gabrielle was also murdered in June 2003.  I was in shock and heartbroken.  Twin brothers at birth, twin sisters in death.  Beautiful souls throughout their lives.  May they rest in peace.  

So because of my personal experience, I wish that our society would be less judgmental. Many hurtful people say that children like Chanelle and Gabrielle are brainwashed by their parents or they CHOOSE to do this.  Children do not choose to be different and to stick out in a crowd.  They were beautiful little GIRLS, not beautiful little boys.  What they were in their hearts and minds was real.

tlahwright
tlahwright

I know how this child feels, I am Vietnamese even though I feel French, I wish people would accept me as French!

Kathymiller94
Kathymiller94

Does this child have XX genes or XY.  If the child has XX she is a female. If it is XY, no sex change operation will up grade him to female as he will still have the inferior X Y genes. thus still the misfortune of being male.

didjesbydan
didjesbydan

Some of the comments on this are quite disgusting.  It makes me glad to be part of a more informed generation.

thewholetruth
thewholetruth

You do not get to pick your parents,Gender,race,height, etc...you live with what you were given.  This case may border on child abuse in  allowing a 6 year old to determine "What he/she" is.  This child could have been very normal in just a few years had the parents left the child alone. 

breindrein
breindrein

I'm open to teenagers deciding what sex they would like to be, but a child so young? Courts say that children cannot be held criminaly responsible for crimes since they are too young and they cannot make informed decision. So even if they want sex with a man/woman (18+) then it is rape since they cannot make an informed decision regarding physical intimacy like that. So how can a child so young be considered as making an informed decision about their sex? I've seen boys playing with dolls, wearing make-up and when they grow older they grow into standard hetro men. Naturally the parents could have decided to take his behaviour seriously and created an environment for him to grow up as a woman and he would have fallen into the role. Parents have a huge amount of power to shape children. I think at that young age specifically the actions of a child should not be acted in such a decisive manner yet. It might be overcorrections.

ChristIsLord11
ChristIsLord11

Judgement is coming on this perverse and wicked generation...

AlexC.
AlexC.

Well the article mentions that Coy herself had identified as a girl from quite early on.  Her parents seem to be wonderfully supportive, and if she somewhere down the road decided that she no longer wants to identify as a girl, then I'm sure they would be just as supportive.  They really just seem to be going based off of their child's best interest at this point, no need to get your knickers in a bunch..

ZoeEllenBrain
ZoeEllenBrain

@theogirl
" A 46,XY mother who developed as a normal woman underwent spontaneous puberty, reached menarche, menstruated regularly, experienced two unassisted pregnancies, and gave birth to a 46,XY daughter with complete gonadal dysgenesis." -- J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2008 January; 93(1): 182–189

So much for the *all* come with sexual dysfunction or sterility. Many do, but not all.  Men who have been vasectomised are sterile too. So are women on the Pill. Are they "abnormal" or "improper"?

It is indeed "normal" than men have 46,XY chromosomes. Only 1 in 300 don't - say half a million in the USA.
It's also normal that they have dark hair - most humans on the planet do.
It's also normal that they're right handed.Only about 1 in 12 people are not, and that's because their brain anatomy is unusual.

But.. we don't say that humans with blue eyes are "abnormalities" just because that's not normal in the human species, and that that gene is less than 20,000 years old - before then, *no-one* had blue eyes past age 6 months..

We don't regard the CCR1 mutation that causes red hair as a "chromosomal abnormality".

We don't regard people with white skin - a distinct minority on the planet - as not having the "normal/proper genetic makeup".

Why is that? Is it because we're used to it, that we live in a place where having red hair is uncommon, but not outlandish? Where having white skin is usual, even though it's almost unknown on most of the planet?

In parts of the Dominican Republic, 2% of live births will change sex. It's more common there than having red hair.

What is "normal" for any mammalian species is for there to be some variation in it. In humans, skin colour's the most obvious, but there are many other variations too, in fat distribution, hair growth, height...

When you talk about "usual" or "unusual", that's not a problem. "Normal" vs "abnormal" though - that introduces a whole set of other meanings. "Abnormal" implies"improper", "wrong", "dangerous", "to be changed or destroyed".

Just look at the subject we're discussing. A 6 year old girl with unusual anatomy that no-one will ever see NOT being permitted to be like other girls. Look at the hysteria that's being generated here. Look at the lack of logic or rationality - people threatening lawsuits for sexual harrassment. 

1 in 60 people are Intersex. 1 in 60. Mostly, that's not obvious, it takes a lab test, or batteries of lab tests, to determine that. Most never know. You could be one of them and not know it. It's much the same in other mammalian species.

There is a mind-set here, a number of interconnected beliefs that are the root of the mass hysteria that's been generated over a girl in the first grade being forbiddden to use the girl's restroom. The tenets of this mind-set are:

XY = male, XX = female, period. XY mothers can't exist. Any XY person claiming to be female is therefore either insane, or more probably, trying to tear down society and threaten their children. They are Evil. If they're only children, they must have been misled by Evil parents, and should be removed from them so they can be put back on the straight and narrow. Anyone claiming to be not XY or XX is probably insane, but might be one of a tiny, tiny handful of people, one in a million or less, who should all probably be institutionalised somewhere along with other genetic freaks.

I'm trying to subvert that mindset with facts. That the Earth is not flat, that XX men and XY women exist, that chromosomes other than XX or XY aren't "one in a million", and in particular, that little girls with unusual genitalia have been using the girls rooms throughout history. That this isn't something new and scary.

1 in 500 women - meaning 1 in 500 schoolgirls - have CAH - Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia.
CAH causes masculinisation of genitalia. Sometimes almost indetectable, sometimes into a full phallus.

There have been and will always be thousands of schoolgirls with masculinised genitalia in the US school system at any one time. There always have been.

In more old-fashioned days, a fuss wasn't made over this. But now the issue with Trans kids - a different issue but also involving girls with masculinised genitalia - has been politicised by what can only be described as a hysterical mob, it's now time to bring this fact to more people's attention.

yourmathsolutions
yourmathsolutions

@ZoeEllenBrain I looked at this study and they do not prove causation with it.  May I direct you to the language of speculation.  "...which MAY result in."  Do you see that they did not find a definitive link.  They are speculating that there is one.  They are theorizing that there is one, but this study did not prove it.  Why didn't they find one?  

When somebody is confused about their gender, this confusion isn't a result of a diagnosis they received from a brain scan or chromosome report.  Their confusion is a result of their subjective feelings.  Feelings are not reliable.  They are ever changing and can easily be influenced by the people and events in your life.  

Kathymiller94
Kathymiller94

@ZoeEllenBrain  So a male has testosterone poisoning right from the start.  Can'tr be good if it is called a poison.

ZoeEllenBrain
ZoeEllenBrain

@yourmathsolutions
DNA doesn't determine sex - 1 in 300 men aren't XY, and some women are.
DNA of one's body can change -as for example, from a bone marrow transplant.

Gender *is* set at birth, but may not match appearance - it's set by the anatomy of the brain. In a few cases, like this one, there's a mismatch, a girl born looking like a boy.

See A sex difference in the human brain and its relation to transsexuality. by Zhou et al Nature (1995) 378:68–70.

Our study is the first to show a female brain structure in genetically male transsexuals and supports the hypothesis that gender identity develops as a result of an interaction between the developing brain and sex hormones

ZoeEllenBrain
ZoeEllenBrain

@tlahwright 

If MRI and PET scans, and autopsy results, show that the brains of French and Vietnamese people differ....
If there are rare medical conditions that cause French people's bodies to change to Vietnamese,and vice-versa...
And if you can show that your neuro-anatomy is that of a French person, and not the quite different pattern of a Vietnamese person...

Then I'd accept you as French.

Barring all those things being true - and none are - then you're making a "witty" comment that isn't helpful, because you know nothing about the issue. Not your fault, most people don't, so make comments like yours. You raise a reasonable point, and I hope I've shown you why you're misunderstanding things.

ZoeEllenBrain
ZoeEllenBrain

@Kathymiller94

A 46,XY mother who developed as a normal woman underwent spontaneous puberty, reached menarche, menstruated regularly, experienced two unassisted pregnancies, and gave birth to a 46,XY daughter with complete gonadal dysgenesis. -- The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism January 1, 2008 vol. 93 no. 1 182-189

This idea that "XY is male" is just plain wrong. 1 in 300 men don't have 46,XY chromosomes, Some women do, and rarely, so do the daughters they give birth to.

JMistrick21
JMistrick21

@Kathymiller94 Biological sex (as determined by chromosomes) and gender don't have to align. Regardless of Coy's chromosomes, she can still identify with the female gender. And in many cases of sex change operations, creating the proper exterior physical features to fit the individual's gender is what is important, not the internal sexual organs. Coy could still live a full and happy life as a female after sex change operations to give her the exterior appearance of being female regardless of her internal organs.

fatality1515
fatality1515

@didjesbydan

Your generation is brainwashed by liberal political correctness and by the LGBT propaganda.

JMistrick21
JMistrick21

@thewholetruth I'm confused how you can say that one does not have the power to choose their gender but that this child is not "normal" for identifying with a gender that does not match her biological sex. Doesn't that indicate Coy has the gender female despite her sex male? 

Additionally, on what basis is allowing a 6-year-old to express themself and be confident and happy in who they are considered child abuse? Coy's parents have been loving and supportive of her choices, something that does not characterize an abusive relationship. Child abuse is a serious and weighty term to throw around so casually, I ask you to provide support for your claims of abuse in this relationship between Coy and her parents.

JMistrick21
JMistrick21

@breindrein On the contrary, who better to trust on knowing themself fully than a young child who hasn't had the experience to know how cruel the world is? A little girl like Coy, at age 3 or 6, does not yet understand what is to be persecuted or bullied because she is different from other children. She therefore cannot be said to be making her decisions for attention or to fit in or rebel from the social norms - she is only expressing who she is, which is a little girl not a little boy. Young children are a blank slate, not yet touched by the pulls of society. I would argue you can trust them fully to represent who they really are. 

I also don't believe that comparing a child's ability to comprehend the gravity of a crime they commit is connected at all to their understanding of self and gender. There is profound difference between understanding the consequences of one's actions before reaching a more complete stage of mental development and who one is in terms of gender. You would never doubt a young child whose gender aligns with their biological sex for acting like a boy or a girl but as soon as there is a disconnect between gender and biological sex, the parents come under criticism for "making" their child transgender. I sense a double standard here.

Kenita
Kenita

@ChristIsLord11Jesus said these words to his disciples during the last supper. John 13: 34-35 "A new command I give you: LOVE one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."  He commands us to show our LOVE!!!!!! If we don't show our love, then we are NOT his disciples.

Also, John 8: 1-8...Here Jesus is at the Mount of Olives when a woman is caught in the act of adultery.  According to the Law of Moses this woman would have been stoned to death.  The Pharisees asked Jesus what He would do, this was trap, they needed to pin something on him so that they could kill Jesus with "just" cause.  Jesus looked at the woman and sat on the ground and started to write on the sand as the crowd got bigger and angrier.  He then sat up and looked directly at the crowd of men, all holding stones in their hands and asked them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." The older men left first and then they all left until it was just Jesus and the woman. Jesus, being the son of God, didn't judge.

Please understand that these children genuinely feel like the other gender.  There is NO perversion or wickedness, this could happen to any one of our children or grandchildren and if it does?  Will you love your child or grandchild any less?  Please watch the 20/20 special "My Secret Self", please read and educate yourself and please read the bible.  It's is a beautiful book.  Many "Christians" misuse the holy bible and use it as a weapon to spread judgment and hate. Please simply ask yourself, how would Jesus treat this sweet little girl?  How would Jesus treat her parents?  Jesus would not judge and He would show his LOVE.  Now it's OUR turn to do the same. Amen!

pakorasandpasta
pakorasandpasta

Thanks for the constructive underwear advice, Alex! 

ZoeEllenBrain
ZoeEllenBrain

@yourmathsolutions@ZoeEllenBrainUm..  haven't got the faintest idea what you're talking about re blocking.

"They are theorizing that there is one, but this study did not prove it.  Why didn't they find one?"

That's not the way science works. We found evidence of a link. In fact, in thousands of papers, we've found evidence of a link. We're now pretty sure there is a link, we've not come up with any explanation for the data if there is no link in fact.

Much as we're pretty sure that if an apple comes off a tree, it will fall down.

We're about as sure of this as we are of the germ theory of disease, but less sure than that the sun is a ball of hot gas.

Individually, each experiment suggests a link. Overall, they "prove" it, not to 100% certainty, but over 99.99999%.
We can't be certain that there's a link in every case, just that we've never found a case where there is no link, and we've looked at tens of thousands. There might be one though, we can't rule it out.




mkg
mkg

You sound very educated and filled with amazing data, but what you are saying seems so very ignorant.   First of all I take it you are an atheist or at least and agnostic. I say this because if you believed in God the Creator you wouldn't be passing this nonsense on to others.    God doesn't make errors in sexual identity.  Boys are boys and girls are girls.  A 6 year old doesn't understand sexuality to the point of being a "transgender".  The parents made this decision and are shining in the limelight of the press and internet. Is there anyone who was, or knew someone  that used to be referred to as a "tomboy" and grew up to be a very beautiful and feminine woman who has found happiness in being with a man in her life that she loves and is sexually satisfied by?   Not gay, not transgender, just a tomboy for a season.   Seems in todays world it isn't possible.  I meaan gay or transgender.  What a lost lost world we are living in. 

yourmathsolutions
yourmathsolutions

@ZoeEllenBrain @yourmathsolutions 

Yes, DNA does determine gender.  Your DNA consists of 46 chromosomes, including the sex chromosomes.  All the DNA coding is present at conception.  The study you showed is irrelevant to this boy.  His parents are not basing their decision to encourage their son to be a girl on a brain scan.  This is based on feelings the little boy has expressed.  My little boy has told me he is Batman, but I don't go around telling everyone not to let him know he is a boy, treat him as if he really is Batman because that would be ridiculous!  Children have imaginations.   As far as the study goes, it has already been established that behavior can change the brain.  It confirms even more that if they continue in perpetuating this lie with their son, it could have devastating long term effects.  That is abusive!  The result is what we see in this study.  An adult who continues in this wrong thinking can actually have an effect on his brain.  These people then mutilate their bodies and take dangerous hormones in an attempt to change the outward appearance of their bodies, but they cannot change their DNA.  If someone's thinking is wrong, you correct their wrong thinking.  This is not difficult.  It is common sense.  

JMistrick21
JMistrick21

@Kathymiller94 I'm interested as to what is making you believe that males are inferior to females. From an evolutionary standpoint, many traits are passed from the mother to the offspring (such as mitochondrial DNA) but without a father, there are no offspring. In that respect, males are just as important as females and there's nothing about them that is inferior. 

Kathymiller94
Kathymiller94

@JMistrick21 @Kathymiller94  If Coy has a an XY Coy is and will always still be an inferior MALE at the DNA level and a sex change will not elevate Coy to be a superior woman.  Also many researchers believe everyone starts out female but after several weeks, something goes "horribly wrong" (the researchers words, not mine but I do agree with them and they were male researches who said something goes horribly wrong for some to become MALES.

ZoeEllenBrain
ZoeEllenBrain

@fatality1515In this case though, they're right. There's objective evidence of that, just like there's objective evidence that the Earth isn't flat. Even though that too goes against "common sense", and when walking to the corner store or using a city road map, we can treat the world as being flat.

This isn't a Left vs Right issue. Nor is it part of the Culture Wars. It's a matter of biology, science, medicine, not ideology or politics.

See for example:
Male–to–female transsexuals have female neuron numbers in a limbic nucleus. Kruiver et al J Clin Endocrinol Metab (2000) 85:2034–2041

The present findings of somatostatin neuronal sex differences in the BSTc and its sex reversal in the transsexual brain clearly support the paradigm that in transsexuals sexual differentiation of the brain and genitals may go into opposite directions and point to a neurobiological basis of gender identity disorder.


ChristIsLord11
ChristIsLord11

@MariaEugeniaMasferrerMadariaga @ChristIsLord11 That is a lie.  What you say is a perversion of God's holy Word, and is ridiculous, disgusting and child abuse.  The Bible is very clear on transgenderism.

"5. The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God." ~Deuteronomy 22:5 KJV

Did you understand that?  You are defending an abomination unto the Lord thy God!  James 4:4 says that a friend of the world is the enemy of God.  If you are as convicted that the Bible is as beautiful a book as you say you it is, then perhaps you should examine yourself, as 2 Corinthians 13:5 instructs us, "how that Jesus Christ is in you," considering this,

"4. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." ~1 John 2:4 KJV

I write not to spread judgment and hate, but to warn you of the sickness, or wrath to come, that you may receive the remedy, that is Jesus (Romans 10:9, 1 Corinthians 6:11, 1 John 2:2).

robyn0hale
robyn0hale

@mkg Wow. This girl @ZoeEllenBrain is hitting you with facts...and you beat her over the head with the bible?? Shame on you. Go look up the word ignorance. You fit the description more then she does. 

mkg
mkg

I read the article.  I was only about 2% of children in The Dominican Republic , until the age of puberty, were thought to be female until then and the male genitals developed and as I understand it the child then had all the other  characteristics of a male.  This court case was about a "male"  who wants to be "female".   Have doctors found that there is a uterus or ovaries developing inside this boy?  Didn't hear about that if they did.  what percentage of the population of the world have these rare disorders?   Should laws be changed for a handful of people so they won't be inconvienced?  I am compassionate toward any who have physical disabilities with there reproductive system if it can't be medically corrected.  I am no compassionate toward those who just aren't happy with the sex  they were born and just won't have it.  In this case it isn't the child, its the parents.  What if  "she" changes her mind in Jr. High?  what will Mommy and Daddy do then?

ZoeEllenBrain
ZoeEllenBrain

@mkg It's rare, but some humans' bodies change sex naturally. See http://www.usrf.org/news/010308-guevedoces.html

So much for Boys are Boys and Girls are Girls.

Perhaps rather than telling God what He does and does not do - you should listen to His creation?

As regards Tomboys - that describes me pretty well. "Beautiful and feminine" - I wish! It was not my fate to find a man who I'd love and be sexually satisfied with. That I miss, but I miss  not having babies even more. I do have a son, but I cheated, I had technical help there, and could never give birth myself.

Meanwhile - best wishes.

ZoeEllenBrain
ZoeEllenBrain

@yourmathsolutions@ZoeEllenBrain
"There is no chromosome mutation or abnormality here"

How do you know? I think it's unlikely, if you're talking about ares other than the brain, about 1 in 10, but it's possible. 1 in 10 vs 1 in 60 for the general population.

"There is no abnormal brain scan that is driving his parents to do this"

Again, how do you know? I'm pretty sure there wasn't, only a few diagnosticians use them,, and not on pediatric patients as far as I'm aware, but the point is she has been diagnosed by competent professional specialists, and every case where someone was diagnosed that we've looked at has cross-sexed neurology.




yourmathsolutions
yourmathsolutions

@ZoeEllenBrain @yourmathsolutions 

Irrelevant!  There is no chromosome mutation or abnormality here.  There is no abnormal brain scan that is driving his parents to do this.  You are trying to justify this subjective whim with something that is not there.  These parents are acting on a whim once articulated by this very immature, very young little boy.  And your assertion that a person cannot change wrong thinking made me laugh.  And that changing their wrong thinking will cause a person to  die???  I am sorry, but that is just funny.  All I have to do is produce one person that corrected their wrong thinking to prove that assertion false.  I present my son that claimed he was Batman.  Ask him today if he is Batman and he will laugh because he knows that he is not.  What these parents are doing is wrong.  It is wrong to lie to your child and make him believe something that is not true.  Lying is wrong.  They are the adults, they know better.  It is wrong for you to perpetuate this wrong thinking this on your site.  This kind of thinking is very dangerous to others.  You are either deceived yourself or you know the truth, but you are perpetuating a lie that brings destruction in the lives of others.  There is absolutely nothing wrong with a little boy growing up to be the man he was born to be.  They should be celebrating his maleness and encouraging it because that is what he is.  He has the parts to prove it.  Instead they are denying what is rightfully his by birth.  How tragic for this little boy.  


ZoeEllenBrain
ZoeEllenBrain

@yourmathsolutions@ZoeEllenBrain

Taking it one bit at a time....

>>>"
Your DNA consists of 46 chromosomes, including the sex chromosomes."

Usually. Except that 1 in 450 men, and some women, have 47 chromosomes. Some women only have 45. A few have 48 or 49, and there's even a handful with 92.

It's not "1 in a million", it's "1 in a few hundred" who differ from the norm. Slightly less common than having red hair, but not by much. A lot more common than being both left-handed and having red hair.

Here's some of the results from one genetic survey:

Sex Chromosome Abnormalities Found Among 34,910 Newborn Children: Results From a 13-Year Incidence Study in Århus, Denmark J.Nielsen and M.Wohlert in Birth Defects: Original Article Series, Volume 26, Number 4, pages 209-223

Karyotype Number 

47,XXY 20

46,XY/47,XXY 7

46,XX(male) 2

48,XXYY 1

47,XYY 18

46,XY/47,XYY 2

....
45,X/46,XY (male) 1

46,XX/46,XY (female) 1


>>>"DNA does determine gender."

Nope. There are men who are 46,XX (as with Kennedy syndrome), and women who are 46,XY (as with Swyer syndrome or CAIS). Rarely, XY women give birth to XY daughters rather than XX ones.

"A 46,XY mother who developed as a normal woman underwent spontaneous puberty, reached menarche, menstruated regularly, experienced two unassisted pregnancies, and gave birth to a 46,XY daughter with complete gonadal dysgenesis. " -- The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism January 1, 2008 vol. 93 no. 1 182-189

As you can see from the survey there were  both XX males and XY females in it. And those with both XX and XY chromosomes too, multiple cell lines.

>>> These people then mutilate their bodies and take dangerous hormones in an attempt to change the outward appearance of their bodies, but they cannot change their DNA.

Actually they can. Most commonly via a bone marrow transplant. But why should they? Chromosomes don't *determine* sex, they merely bias the odds of one or another course off development happening.

See
Bone marrow-derived cells from male donors can compose endometrial glands in female transplant recipients by Ikoma et al in Am J Obstet Gynecol. 2009 Dec;201(6):608.e1-8

In that case, an XX woman ended up being XY, even her ovaries. Genetically identical to the donor. But that didn't change her sex,or her identity, any more than replacing the bricks in a house one by one changes the house.

>>>  If someone's thinking is wrong, you correct their wrong thinking.  This is not difficult.  It is common sense.  

One problem - it doesn't work, and patients die as the result. That's something we've known for decades too. The whole arsenal of psychiatric tools was employed, to no effect. It was that that give us a clue as far back as the 60's  that we were dealing with an anatomical issue, but it was only proven in the 90's.

"Treatment aimed at trying to change a person’s gender identity and expression to become more
congruent with sex assigned at birth has been attempted in the past without success (Gelder &
Marks, 1969; Greenson, 1964), particularly in the long term (Cohen-Kettenis & Kuiper, 1984; Pauly,
1965). Such treatment is no longer considered ethical. " -- Standards of Care v7, 2012.

>>>An adult who continues in this wrong thinking can actually have an effect on his brain.

True - but not in the areas we're looking at. They are not "neuroplastic", we have no evidence showing such changes are possible, unlike some other areas. Pity, as if we could change the brain like that, we could cure all strokes and brain damage, give people genius IQs or perfect pitch. As it is, we can change a few areas, in the cerebrum, but not the cerebellum or lymbic nucleus.









ZoeEllenBrain
ZoeEllenBrain

@fatality1515

In simple terms, grossly over-simplified -
Girl brain, Boy rest of body. A matter of anatomy.

Girl brain = Female gender identity, but as most of those with Girl brains have the rest of the body being Girl too, we think nothing of that. It's only in cases like this that there are issues - well, cases like this, and cases where the rest of the body is Intersex, and we can't easily determine what sex it looks most like.

There we should wait till the child tells us what sex they are. If we intervene before then, we've got a very good chance of getting it wrong, and creating a Transsexual. Someone whose genital  anatomy doesn't match the brain's anatomy. This causes *intense* distress, utter misery, what we call "Gender Dysphoria". The only cure for that we've ever found is to alter the body to match the brain -that has a 98% success rate.

We can't be 100% certain of the diagnosis here. But letting them live in a cross-sexed social role is the safest course until they get older, and things become clearer. It is both dangerous and damaging to the child not to do this, as we've found from many tragedies in the past.

There's an extensive body of research on this issue - Gender Identity Disorder (GID). The data and experimental results are available on the net for you to check for yourself. For example:.


The treatment of adolescent transsexuals: changing insights. Cohen-Ketternis et al, J Sex Med. 2008 Aug;5(8):1892-7.

Professionals who take responsibility for these youth and are willing to help should yet be fully aware of the impact of their interventions. In this article, the pros and cons of the various approaches to youngsters with GID are presented, hopefully inciting a sound scientific discussion of the issue.